Think out / Considere cuidadosamente

 

"For Elohim so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life" "Porque Elohim amou o mundo de tal maneira que deu o seu Filho unigênito, para que todo aquele que nele crê não pereça, mas tenha a vida eterna" (John 3:16). "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Messiah: for it is the power of Elohim unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek" ; "Porque não me envergonho do evangelho do Messias, pois é o poder de Elohim para salvação de todo aquele que crê; primeiro do judeu, e também do grego".(Romans 1:16). "But Elohim commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Messiah died for us" ; "Mas Elohim prova o seu amor para conosco, em que o Messias morreu por nós, sendo nós ainda pecadores." (Romans 5:8). "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Adon Yeshua, and shalt believe in thine heart that Elohim hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same ADONAI over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the ADONAI shall be saved. " ; "A saber: Se com a tua boca confessares a ADON Yeshua, e em teu coração creres que Elohim o ressuscitou dentre os mortos, serás salvo. Visto que com o coração se crê para a justiça, e com a boca se faz confissão para a salvação. Porque a Escritura diz: Todo aquele que nele crer não será confundido. Porquanto não há diferença entre judeu e grego; porque um mesmo é o ADONAI de todos, rico para com todos os que o invocam. Porque todo aquele que invocar o nome de ADONAI será salvo." (Romans 10:9-13). "...Elohim hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son." ; "E o testemunho é este: que Elohim nos deu a vida eterna; e esta vida está em seu Filho".(I John 5:11). "He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of Elohim hath not life." ; "Quem tem o Filho tem a vida; quem não tem o Filho de Elohim não tem a vida". (I John 5:12). For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of Elohim is eternal life through Yeshua HaMashiach Adoneinu" ; "Porque o salário do pecado é a morte, mas o dom gratuito de Deus é a vida eterna, por Yeshua HaMashiach nosso Senhor".(Romans 6:23).

Bar/Bat Mitzvah Son/Daughter of the Commandment

My son, if you accept my words and store up my commands within you, turning your ear to wisdom and applying your heart to understanding, and if you call out for insight and cry aloud for understanding, and if you look for it as for silver and search for it as for hidden treasure, then you will understand the fear of the LORD and find the knowledge of G-d (Proverbs 2:1-5).

THE HISTORICAL BACKGROUND

One of the best known customs of the Jewish people is that of Bar/Bat Mitzvah. Whether or not one is from a Jewish background, most people realize that the Bar/Bat Mitzvah is an important step in the life of a Jewish child. As the Hebrew/ Aramaic name implies (bar is Aramaic for "son"; bat is Hebrew for "daughter"; mitzvah is Hebrew for "commandment"), this is a milestone in the life of a Jewish child. It is a time when the child takes responsibility for his or her own religious life. It is considered the biblical age of accountability. The child crosses that precarious gap between childhood and adolescence, with its requisite duties.

The historical background of the Bar/Bat Mitzvah custom is somewhat more difficult to track than many other traditions. This is primarily because there is no specific reference to the ceremony in the Hebrew Scriptures. However, there are dozens of verses that support the idea that there is an age of accountability to the commandments of the L-rd. Some would find it ironic that the most detailed account of a Bar Mitzvah in the Bible is actually in the New Testament, at the "Bar Mitzvah" ceremony for Messiah Yeshua.

However, much can be learned from the historical writings of the rabbis, through their various commentaries on the Scriptures. The ancient rabbis considered either age 12 or 13 to be both the age of accountability and the age of physical maturity. At this time, the child is responsible to start taking upon himself certain of the commandments and duties, such as celebrating the feasts of the Torah (see Babylonian Talmud, Kiddushin 16b). Up until that time, the parents take full responsibility for the child's actions, including vows, discipline problems and religious training (Jerusalem Talmud, Nedarim 5:6). At age 12 (or some say 13), this relationship begins to change. Another talmudic quote states that this transitional time of life makes the child a Bar Mitzvah (Babylonian Talmud, Pirke Avot 5:24).

Although the exact time of this change in duties was debated, the Talmud makes the recommendation that the child start observing the feasts one year prior to becoming an official Bar Mitzvah (Babylonian Talmud, Yoma 82a). The ancient commentaries note that, in the days of the Jerusalem Temple, the boy or girl would appear before the rabbis for a special blessing (Jerusalem Talmud, Sofrim 18:7).

It seems that the official ceremony, now called a Bar Mitzvah, did not become commonplace until the Middle Ages. At the age of 13, a Jewish boy would have completed his early Hebrew and religious studies, and would therefore begin to participate in the Sabbath synagogue service to fulfill this requirement. A more modern adaptation gives Jewish girls the same honor, usually at the age 12, since it is presumed that they mature more quickly than their male counterparts.

The main purpose of the Bar/Bat Mitzvah ceremony is to bean official initiation into adolescence and Jewish religious duties.

TRADITIONAL JEWISH OBSERVANCE

Preparing for such a transition in life does not happen overnight. indeed, most Jewish children spend several years in synagogue and Hebrew school studies, gradually working toward the goal of becoming a Bar/Bat Mitzvah. This course of study includes the Hebrew language, but is often supplemented with studies in Jewish history, tradition and Bible. The years of preparation are culminated with the BarlBat Mitzvah ceremony at a special synagogue service on a Sabbath close to the child's 13th birthday (12th for the girl).

The actual ceremony is quite beautiful and significant. Symbolic of his or her new responsibilities, the boy or girl is prepared to actually lead a significant part of the synagogue service. Specifically, the child has mastered various parts of the liturgical service that, depending on the capabilities of the young student, may include such Hebrew prayers as the Sh'ma (Deuteronomy 6:4), the Amidah (18 Benedictions) and various Psalms. in addition to leading part of the service, the BarlBat Mitzvah also chants the traditional weekly reading from the Torah and the Prophets.

Immediately before the Scripture readings, the child is given a very special honor. The cantor, or the father of the child, opens the ark containing the Torah scroll and places it in the arms of the BarlBat Mitzvah. After the appropriate blessings are chanted, a holy processional starts as the child walks the scroll down the aisles of the synagogue. It is common for people to show their reverence for the Word of G-d by reaching out and touching the mantle covering the Torah with their tallitot (prayer shawls) or siddurim (prayer books). The congregates face the direction of the scroll out of respect for G-d's Word, as the BarlBat Mitzvah marches up to the bimah (pulpit or platform). The Torah is opened and the BarlBat Mitzvah chants the opening blessings:

Barukh atah Adonai, eloheynu melekh ha'olam, asher bakhar banu mikal ha'amim, Vnatan lanu et torato. Barukh atah Adonai, noteyn ha'torah. Amen. Blessed art Thou, 0 L-rd our G-d, King of the universe, who has chosen us from all peoples and given us the Torah. Blessed art Thou, 0 L-rd, giver of the Torah. Amen.

The weekly Torah portion is traditionally blessed by seven readers, each one blessing a section of the reading. This would be followed by the Bar/Bat Mitzvah, who does the blessings and then reads from the Torah. The child does not just read the passage in Hebrew (which is challenge enough), but also chants the musical notes that accompany the reading, called the cantillation. These melodies are believed to date back to the time of Moses (seeDeuteronomy 31:19-22), and were codified in the Masoretic text of the Hebrew Scriptures.

When the reading from the Torah scroll is finished, the BarlBat Mitzvah chants the following blessing:

Barukh atah Adonai, eloheynu melekh ha'olam, asher natan lanu torat emet, Vchayey olam nata b'tokheynu. Barukh atah Adonai, noteyn ho'torah. Amen. Blessed art Thou, O L-rd our ,G-d King of the universe, who has given us the Torah of truth, and planted everlasting life in our midst. Blessed art Thou, O L-rd, giver of the Torah. Amen.

The reading of the Haftarah (from the verb thaftir, "to dismiss") is called the maftir (from the same verb), because it occurs near the end of the synagogue service. The Haftarah is a selection from the prophetic writings that elucidates a theme found in the Torah portion. The reading begins with the last three verses from the Torah portion in order to avoid the impression that the Haftarah is equal in importance to the Torah and deserving of its own separate reader. The Bar/Bat Mitzvah child reads these maftir verses in the Torah, gives the closing blessing, and segues into the Haftarah. The child has a special challenge, as he or she must read the extra Hebrew plus chant a cantillation exclusively for the prophetic reading. Before the reader begins this last section, the following blessing is chanted:

Barukh atah Adonai, eloheynu melekh ha'olam, asher bakhar binvi'im tovim, Vratzah b'divreyhem ha'ne'emarim be'emet. Barukh atah Adonai, ha'bokheyr ba'torah uvmoshe avdo, uvyisraeyl amo, uvinvi'ey ha'emet va'tzedek. Amen. Blessed art Thou, O L-rd our G-d, King of the universe, who has selected good prophets, taking delight in their words which were spoken in truth. Blessed art Thou, O L-rd, who has chosen the Torah, Thy servant Moses, Thy people Israel, and the prophets of truth and righteousness. Amen.

All eyes are on the Bar/Bat Mitzvah child as he or she chants the traditional reading from the Prophets. After this reading (which may be as short as a few verses or as long as two chapters) is finished, the child chants the closing blessing for the Haftarah portion

This is too lengthy to quote here (refer to Scherman, The Rabbinica I Council of America Edition of The Artscroll Siddur-see bibliography-or any other traditional siddur), but includes such thoughts as blessing God for his faithfulness, mercy to Zion and even a prayer that Elijah would come soon to announce the days of Messiah.

Having accomplished his or her primary task of chanting the Scriptures, the child presents the last part of the ceremony-the drashah ("sermon" or "teaching"). This is more commonly known as the BarlBat Mitzvah speech where the child gives a mini-sermon and thanks family and friends for participating in this joyous occasion. The child expounds upon the readings and how the passage is meaningful to his or her life. It can be quite inspiring to hear such comments from a teenager.

The ceremony usually closes with the customary greetings and best wishes from family and friends. The synagogue may make various presentations to the child (e.g., certificates, a prayer shawl (for a boy), or a Bible). Girls often receive their first pair of sabbath candlesticks. Quite often, the synagogue service is followed by a reception or party in honor of the new Bar/Bat Mitzvah. Gifts, food and Israeli folk-dancing usually abound to celebrate the joy of this occasion, of becoming a son or daughter of the commandment.

RELEVANCE TO THE NEW TESTAMENT

As mentioned previously, the BarlBat Mitzvah ceremony is not specifically found in the Hebrew Scriptures. However, the rabbinic commentaries contain many references to a ceremony that marks the age of accountability. Surprisingly, the clearest account of an ancient Bar Mitzvah ceremony is found in another Jewish book-the New Testament.

Every year Yeshua's parents went to Yerushalayim [Jerusalem] for the festival of Pesach (Passover). When he was twelve years old, they went up for the festival, as custom required. But after the festival was over, when his parents returned, Yeshua remained in Yerushalayim. They didn't realize this; supposing that he was somewhere in the caravan, they spent a whole day on the road before they began searching for him among their relatives and friends. Failing to find him, they returned to Yerushalayim to look for him. On the third day they found him-he was sitting in the Temple court among the rabbis, not only listening to them but questioning what they said; and everyone who heard him was astonished at his insight and his responses (Luke 2:41-47).

This Bar Mitzvah ceremony must have been very important for the New Testament writers, since this is the only recorded event of Yeshua's later childhood years. It is no coincidence that it occurred at the age of twelve when, according to tradition, a son became responsible for observing the Jewish feasts. Accordingly, Yosef and Miryam traveled to Jerusalem with their son to celebrate Passover and to prepare him for the duties of becoming a Bar Mitzvah.

However, this Bar Mitzvah turned out to be rather different from the average one. As the family returned by caravan to their home town of Natzeret, they did not at first realize that their son, Yeshua, had remained behind at the Temple. When they finally tracked him down, they found him where any good Bar Mitzvah boy would be-receiving the blessing of the rabbis, as was common in ancient tradition. It caught everyone's attention that this particular student was amazing even the rabbis with the wisdom of his drashah ("teaching"). Surely this Bar Mitzvah boy was something special, one who would later proclaim himself to be the Messiah.

While many of the elements of the traditional Bar Mitzvah are visible in this first-century account, this was a Bar Mitzvah to remember. Yeshua is the perfect example of what a Bar Mitzvah should be. As noted in the New Testament:

Even though he was the Son, he learned obedience through his sufferings. And after he had been brought to the goal, he became the source of eternal deliverance to all who obey him ([Messianic Jews] Hebrews 5:8-9).

How amazing it is to realize that Yeshua has been the only perfect BarMitzvah in the history of Israel. He has fulfilled all of the Torah on behalf of those who believe in him.

WHY SHOULD MY CHILD HAVE A BAR OR BAT MITZVAH?

There are many reasons for a child to have a Bar or Bat Mitzvah. The child who becomes a Bar or Bat Mitzvah publicly expresses a desire to embrace the Word of God, the ways of God as revealed in the Torah, and as understood and expressed by the Messiah Yeshua. The ceremony is also a means to identify with the Jewish culture and heritage that we claim as ours, either by birthright, or by being grafted in (Romans 11).

WHO COULD HAVE A BAR OR BAT MITZVAH?

All those with a heart-felt love for God, a desire to follow his ways, and who want to adopt a Jewish life-style could have a Bar or Bat Mitzvah.

WHAT ARE THE PREREQUISITES FOR THE CHILD WHO WILL BECOME A BAR OR BAT MITZVAH?

First, there must be a desire to have one, and the commitment to complete the other prerequisites. Second, there is a Bar or Bat Mitzvah curriculum, which ideally begins one year prior to the anticipated time of the ceremony. During that year, there will be several meetings with the Rabbi or Congregational Leader. Third, the prospective Bar or Bat Mitzvah will be required, prior to the ceremony, to study the specific Torah portion, and prepare a speech, to be developed under the supervision of the Rabbi or Congregational Leader.

WHAT DOES THE CURRICULUM INCLUDE?

The curriculum is divided into several sections. The first section gives an overview of the Bible. The books of the Bible, the order of the books, and their Hebrew names will be covered. The second section is an overview of the history of the Jewish people. The third section is a brief history of Messianic Judaism. The fourth section will be an overview of various Jewish traditions, and how the Messiah interpreted them.

The last section will introduce the Hebrew language, in particular, pronunciation and reading skills designed to enable the student to read from theSefer Torah, the Torah scroll. This final section will include one-on-one instruction on an individual basis.

HOW LONG BEFORE MY CHILD'S CEREMONY SHOULD WE START PREPARING?

The program is designed to begin one year before the anticipated date of the ceremony. At that time, a meeting is arranged between you, the Rabbi or Congregational Leader, and your child. At that time, the commitment to begin is established, and the child will begin the preparation

. PRACTICAL GUIDE TO A MESSIANIC BAR/BAT MITZVAH CEREMONY

The following is a suggested order of service bases on the history of, and the New Covenant understanding of, the Bar/ Bat Mitzvah ceremony. Many of these elements are found in the traditional Jewish ceremony. The distinctive of a Messianic ceremony is that it should be reflective of the child's personal commitment to Yeshua. While this ceremony could take place in a home or other building, a Messianic congregation seems to be the most natural expression for this kind of service.

Frequently, Jewish believers wait until the last minute to call their congregational leader regarding their child's BarlBat Mitzvah. Although it is commendable that the family has a desire to follow in the tradition of BarlBat Mitzvah, such a ceremony is not something to be taken lightly. in addition to being a time of personal commitment, the BarlBat Mitzvah ceremony is also a time when a commitment is made to an entire religious community (in this case Messianic). The saying "it takes a whole village to raise a child" is apropos to the meaning of Bar/Bat Mitzvah. The ceremony does not reflect a one-day, or even a one-year, commitment, but is a statement of one's philosophy of life. Accordingly, the family needs to make a commitment, long before the ceremony, to a local congregation, Each family should consult with their local Messianic leader for advice.

The following worship service has worked well at this author's congregation, Kehilat Ariel:

WORSHIP THROUGH MUSIC AND DANCE WORSHIP THROUGH TRADITIONAL LITURGY

(Fischer and Bronstein, Siddur for Messianic Jews is highly recommended; see Conclusion for information on how to obtain it) Introductory Psalms Barkhu/Sh'ma Messianic Reading or Reading from the New Covenant Bar/Bat Mitzvah Ceremony. The child is called to the ark as the Torah service begins. After the appropriate prayers, the Bar/Bat Mitzvah leads the Torah processional through the congregation. The Torah blessings are chanted. The Torah portion is chanted. Seven aliyot ("goings up" to the bimah) are traditional, with the Bar/Bat Mitzvah as the eighth reader. However, it may be simpler if the Bar/Bat Mitzvah is the only reader. Haftarah blessings are chanted. The Haftarah portion (in the Prophets) is chanted. The number of verses chanted from either the Torah or Haftarah should be contingent upon the ability of the child. it is much better to properly chant five verses in Hebrew than to do a sloppy job with fifty verses. After the Haftarah section is chanted, the Bar/Bat Mitzvah delivers his or her drashah (short teaching/ speech). During the course of this speech, the child should give a personal testimony of his or her faith in Messiah. This is a great step in fulfilling new religious duties. SYNAGOGUE PRESENTATIONS This may include a certificate and other religious gifts from the sabbath school or congregational family. Mazel tov and other greetings are expressed at this point. LEADER'S MESSAGE It is often an ideal time, especially with the many visitors and guests, to follow up the ceremony with a more expansive message on the theme of the text.

CLOSING PRAYER AND SONG

KIDDUSH The blessings over the wine and the challah (sabbath bread). This can be followed by a special oneg (joyful celebration) with refreshments at the congregation or reception hall. May every believer have a blessed ceremony in the Messiah Yeshua. May all believers show their love for Yeshua by becoming better sons and daughters of his commandments (see John 14:15).


This article used by permission from: God's Appointed Customs By: Barney Kasdan To order a copy of this book: Click Here

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Bar and Bat Mitzvah Training Programs and Resources Bar and Bat Mitzvah training programs Detailed Curricula Student Resources (see related pdf files) Parent Resources (see related pdf files) BAR AND BAT MITZVAH TRAINING PROGRAMS Amirim, Tree Tops A Bar and Bat Mitzvah track for sixth and seventh grade. This program has three components:
  1. Skills - Hebrew reading, and Torah/Haftorah chanting
  2. Jewish Basics - Students learn the names and the historical evolution of Jewish classical texts. They become acquainted with the lives and teachings of central Jewish figures. Students learn the broad timeline of Jewish history. They learn basic concepts in Jewish spirituality. Students solidify their mastery of Hebrew and ritual skills. They learn about the concept of Mitzvah and the meaning of adolescent rites of passage. This Circle is designed to equip the Bar/Bat Mitzvah child with a coherent overview of the Jewish cultural and spiritual landscape.
  3. Personal Mentorship - The student learns his or her ceremony-specific assignments:
    1. D'var Torah (speech)
    2. Torah and/or Haftorah chanting
    3. Sh'ma and other selected prayers
    4. A Mitzvah project (community service)
90 minute sessions.
Mishpaha, Family A child/parent Bar/Bat Mitzvah learning track. This creative, multi-modal shared study offers the parent(s) and child an opportunity to seek answers, develop tools, and find growing meaning in Judaism. Child and parent will learn together, separately and interactively through the pedagogical approach that will best meet their needs and learning styles. This unique program empowers the child and family. The program helps demonstrate that the experience of preparing for Bar/Bat Mitzvah is a natural extension of shared family life, love and values. The experience conveys to the child that consciously exploring sensitive core issues such as faith, spirituality, and identity is a beneficial and maturing pursuit. 90 minute sessions. Hagigot, Celebrations A series of family-centered, kid-friendly, holiday and Shabbat celebrations. These gatherings afford students the opportunity to proudly demonstrate ritual skills learned during Circle sessions and much more (see semester calendar). Teva, Nature Experience An educational outdoor weekend retreat for Bar/Bat Mitzvah track students and their parents. Students gain an appreciation of Judaism's deep roots in nature and ecology. Nature and outdoor leadership-building activities enhance the students' developing Jewish identity. Nesharim, Eagles A post Bar and Bat Mitzvah Learning Circle. Students choose to explore areas of Jewish interest and/or choose to strengthen and deepen their ritual and Hebrew language skills. The Circle can be arranged as a 90 minute weekly session or alternately as a monthly social/educational program. Post Bar/Bat Mitzvah learning is rewarded with a series of teen life-cycle ceremonies. At age fourteen, students celebrate the Bar/Bat Yeholet (high skill) ceremony at which they mark the transition from middle school to high school in a Jewish context. At age sixteen, students celebrate the Atzma'ut (independence) ceremony, at which they mark the beginning of driving privileges and responsibilities in a Jewish context. DETAILED CURRICULA Amirim, Tree Tops A two year Bar and Bat Mitzvah track The Bar/Bat Mitzvah curriculum is designed to provide the student with:
  1. An integrated set of basic Jewish skills
  2. A variety of Jewish cultural and spiritual experiences
  3. A forum for reflection on the student's coming-of-age.
The instructional approach is student-centered and inquiry-based. The student is encouraged to become a competent, confident, and independent Jewish learner. The curriculum aims to equip the student with a solid foundation, from which he or she will make emotionally secure and well-informed future choices about Jewish lifestyle and practice. Curricular track objectives, rhythm, and content: The graduating student will be able to competently perform his or her Bar/Bat Mitzvah ceremonial assignments. The student will be able to confidently participate in Jewish family or synagogue observance. The student will be able to intelligently discuss his or her Jewish identity. Frequency: weekly or twice weekly Session length:
  • Bar/Bat Mitzvah track - minimum of 90 minutes
  • Private mentorship - minimum of 60 or 90 minutes
Location:
  • Bar/Bat Mitzvah track - At a participating family's home
  • Private mentorship - HLC office
Circle session rhythm
  1. Hebrew song (5 minutes)
  2. Hebrew reading and or ritual skills (25 minutes)
  3. Judaica (45 minutes)
    1. The Jewish library of classical texts
    2. Jewish heroes and their stories
    3. Holiday observance and Jewish calendar
    4. Values clarification
    5. God, spirituality, and ethics
  4. Hebrew song (5 minutes)
First Year Topics:
  1. The Jewish library of classical texts (14 sessions)
  2. Jewish heroes and their stories (6 sessions)
  3. Holiday observance and Jewish calendar (7 sessions)
Second Year Topics:
  1. Values clarification (7 sessions)
    1. Discussion of Jewish adult privileges and responsibilities
    2. Discussion of Mitzvot - distinguishing Jewish skills and actions.
    3. Discussion of Jewish identity.
    4. Discussion of adolescent rite of passage
  2. Jewish heroes and their stories (5 sessions)
  3. God, spirituality, and ethics (8 sessions)
  4. Holiday observance and Jewish calendar (7 sessions) - See above
Second Year Personal Mentorship Topics: D'var Torah (speech), Torah chanting, prayer skills, ethics and Mitzvah project (30 sessions) Textbooks:
  1. Hebrew Hevrutah Series Workbook
  2. Sim Shalom Siddur
  3. Humash (Hebrew Bible)
Mishpaha, Family Parent/s & child together one semester curriculum This curriculum is designed to enhance the child's and family's Bar/Bat Mitzvah experience. The shared nature of this learning modality demonstrates to the child that the Bar/Bat Mitzvah preparation experience is an extension of shared family life, love and values. The child will learn as much from the parent's mere involvement as he or she will learn from presented content. Parent and child are encouraged to raise their own questions, concerns, and life experiences relating to Judaism. The program facilitates an opportunity for parent and child to learn alongside one another, about one another, and from one another. Curricular track objectives, rhythm, and content: Child and parent will become equally prepared for each of their clearly defined and separate roles at the Bar/Bat Mitzvah service. The child will be equipped for continued constructive explorations of his or her Jewish identity. Frequency: weekly Session length: 90 minutes Location: HLC office Circle session rhythm:
  1. Ceremony skills (30 minutes)
  2. Judaica themes (30 minutes)
  3. Holiday observance and other skills (30 minutes)
Topics to be explored:
  1. God and Jewish spirituality
  2. Mitzvah as a model for adult responsibility
  3. Tzedaka (helping others)
  4. Torah as sacred book and concept
  5. Shabbat - the Jewish concept of non-linear time
  6. "Jewish" - ethnicity, faith, or both?
  7. Dilemmas related to being Jewish in our time:
    1. How do I celebrate/practice Judaism when "tradition as I have experienced it" doesn't speak to me?
    2. Am I Jewish, am I universal, or both? If both, in what proportion?
    3. One of my parents is born a Jew; the other is born non-Jewish. What does that make me?
    4. American Jew or Jewish American? Which am I?
    5. Who cares about Israel, and why?
  8. Other topics of choice
Skills taught:
  1. Chanting from the Torah
  2. Reciting Hebrew prayers
  3. Friday night table rituals: Candle lighting, Kiddush, Hallah blessing
  4. Tying Tzitzit knots
  5. Wrapping Tefilin
  6. Others
STUDENT RESOURCES Blessings before the Torah reading Bar/Bat Mitzvah Action Plan Questions D’var Torah (Speech) Guidelines Family Video-Viewing Discussion Sheet Jewish library starters Oral History Questions PARENT RESOURCES Bar/Bat Mitzvah Action Plan Questions Bar/Bat Mitzvah Service Check List Bar/Bat Mitzvah training topic outline Blessing Circle Letter Blessings Before and after the Torah reading for other faith participants Blessings before the Torah reading (Hebrew) Blessings before the Torah reading (transliterated) Event Information Sheet Family Video-Viewing Discussion Sheet Oral History Questions Shabbat morning Bar/Bat Mitzvah service outline
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Bar/Bat Mitzvah A Bar or Bat Mitzvah ceremony at which Iris Jacobs officiates, assisted by Dr. Marty Abrams, is a moving and deeply spiritual experience. Iris will take your children, no matter how much previous preparation they have had, no matter what their background or their learning capabilities, and help them become confident and well-prepared performers. This is generally accomplished with just a one-half hour lesson per week in Iris’s study in Sharon, MA. Bat MitzvahFor people living at a distance, or in case of inclement weather, Iris is happy to teach by phone. CDs of the Torah and Haftarah portions and required blessings and prayers are personally made by Iris and provided to the student for at-home study. In addition, written copies of all the recorded material are provided in Hebrew, transliteration and translation. On average, preparation time is one school year. This may vary with the previous Hebrew background and preparedness of the child. Approximately two to three months before the ceremony, Iris begins working with the parent or parents to choose readings for the individual prayer booklets that will personalize the service for the family. These readings not only make each service unique, but also allow for more participation by friends and relatives than would be found in a traditional temple service. Bar MitzvahCeremonies may take place in chapels, hotel facilities and other function rooms, homes, backyards and tents. Iris brings to each service her own full-size Torah and Holy Ark and all the necessary religious accoutrements that will create a chapel-like atmosphere. The service itself can be tailor-made to fit your family’s preferences and religious ideologies. Your child’s talents are always showcased in their best light. Woven into the service are the beautiful voices of the Kol Miriam Choir, a female ensemble enhancing and heightening the spirituality of this special day with ancient and modern music and, often, songs chosen by the parents or the child. A video of the service capturing all the nuances and drama is provided to the family to enable you to relive each precious moment for years to come.

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Dear Iris, Thank you so much for making Nick’s Bar Mitzvah so memorable. Our guests found the service beautiful and very moving. Our family will always remember how personal and meaningful your ceremony was. Thank you also for your patience and sense of humor. You performed a miracle! Appreciatively, The Calo Family Dear Iris, We’re still enjoying the afterglow of the Bar Mitzvah—greatly enhanced by the video. The beautiful ceremony aptly reflected the persons who conducted it. We will always be grateful for the warmth, understanding, and integrity with which you helped us prepare for the event. May countless boys enjoy Gabe’s good fortune with a Jacobs Bar Mitzvah. Affectionately, Andy and Jane Dear Iris, Believe it or not, I actually liked coming those Thursdays and studying with you. Iris, even though your jokes weren’t always funny, it was still fun to hear them. The service was even better than I expected it would be. I loved all the songs that the Kol Miriam Choir sang. They were great! Everyone loved you and they had many nice comments to say. I will never forget that very special day. I will always cherish the Kiddush Cup that you so generously gave me. Thanks again for making my day special. Love, Zack P.S. We love the video! Iris, Thank you again for all that you have done to bring and ensconce Judaism and a greater spirituality into our family. I can’t tell you the number of our Jewish friends who said that if their rabbi had been more like Iris, they would still be going to Temple today. You have shown us and so many people what spirituality… is supposed to look like. Thank you for that, and how you’ve touched us. Love, The Shapiros Dear Iris, When you first began tutoring my son, Stephen, to prepare him for his Bar Mitzvah, I never dreamed that in less than a year, he and I would both be standing on the bimah before a hundred friends and family members sharing our combined B’nai Mitzvah. Our tutoring sessions were fun and memorable, but they couldn’t prepare us for the emotion and joy we felt at our service. The Kol Miriam Choir enraptured our guests with their glorious music, and the readings, many of which Stephen and I selected, were personal and meaningful to us and all of the participants. Also, for those non-Jews in the congregation, you created a service that they could understand and appreciate. We would not change one word, one musical note, one moment of that wonderful day. With love and gratitude, Sheryl Rosenberg

"It's not about the bills, it's not about the bills," intones the mother, as the family gets revved up planning a meaningful Bar Mitzvah experience for the first born son.

by Emuna Braverman

Life has many firsts. It's part of what makes life exciting. It's part of what keeps us on our toes. And it's part of what throws us into panic and confusion. Am I going to get it right? I've never done this before. And even deeper, what exactly is right?

We are, please God, approaching another first in our family -– our oldest son's Bar Mitzvah. And the questions are flying fast and furious. We know we don't want a "circus" theme or a "baseball" theme. We're not hiring a rock band or a trapeze artist or a belly dancer! But that still leaves plenty of leeway.

How do you enjoy the party and maintain the focus?

How do you enjoy the party and maintain the focus? One of my girls wants all the clothing to be color-coordinated. I said no. One of my children wanted the celebration to be at a hotel. I said no. Another wanted all her friends to come. I said no. And everyone wants to help decide the menu. I said no to that also. But there have to be some yes-es. Not because the celebration is about the material but because everyone wants a piece of the joy.

Everyone is genuinely happy and excited for their brother (when they're not fighting over the computer with him!) and they want as many outlets as possible to express it.

Trying to tread the middle road is a challenge in every aspect of life. Here too. We want it attractive but not ostentatious, joyful but not wild, the food delicious but not extravagant, the clothing dignified but not dramatic (and not outrageously expensive). And we want it meaningful.

UNDERSTANDING WHAT IT MEANS

We want everyone to understand –- especially our son and his siblings -– what a Bar Mitzvah means. It's not about the party. It's not about the gifts. It's not about the band, the dessert or the kiddush. It's not about the beautiful cake our friend Betsy is going to make. And it's not about the bills. (It's not about the bills, it's not about the bills...)

It's about becoming an adult and forging a personal relationship with God. It's about recognizing that inherent in the concept of relationship is the idea of responsibility. And that responsibility is the real joy. Having obligations and using those obligations to connect to the Almighty is the ultimate happiness.

We want our friends and family to think this is the best party ever –- not the best decorations, the most courteous waiters, the most gourmet food, the most exotic setting –- the best party ever because it will teach us what life is really about. What we're really meant to celebrate. Where true joy is attainable. And if we can learn that lesson we want everyone we care about to learn it with us.

We want our family to think it was the best party ever because it taught us what life is really about.

These are all wonderful ideas. But exactly how is this lesson going to be taught?

I know it's not by counting checks. I know that a sense of relief, a suggestion that the "ordeal" is over would be a serious mistake. And the thought that this is an end rather than a beginning would be a tragedy. I know what won't teach the proper perspective. But what will?

One way I hope this lesson is absorbed is through my son's friends. When I've seen the joy of the boys dancing with and for each other at previous Bar Mitzvahs, I've been moved to tears. Their unselfconscious expressions of pure happiness lifted everyone to an appreciation of what the world could be, an excitement about the potential waiting to be unleashed.

Coupled with this are the words of his teachers. Continually exhorting the boys to appreciate the significance of the day and demonstrating to them the pleasure and beauty of a life of wisdom and positive actions, these teachers have primed their students for the new vistas to come. But only by acting on what they've learned, by exhibiting the character commensurate with the wisdom, will the boys begin to forge their own transcendent relationship.

TEACHING BY EXAMPLE

And of course, the most challenging, demanding and effective way to show all our children what it means to have a relationship with God is by our own example (could we go back to talking about the teachers?)

No matter what we say (and we say a lot), our children will learn from our actions.

No matter what we say (and we say a lot), our children will learn from our actions. If we're focused on the centerpieces, they'll be focused on the centerpieces. If we're focused on the banquet hall, they'll be focused on the banquet hall. If we're focused on the guest list, that's where their thoughts will be also.

But if we're concentrating on the awesome responsibility and privilege of raising children who have the opportunity of experiencing a personal relationship with their Creator, if we're infused with warmth of being part of the Jewish people, if we're excited by the opportunity of fulfilling our people's mission in this world, then our children will be also.

Of course the Bar Mitzvah boy must give charity from his gifts. Of course it's very nice to include the poor in your dinner. It's appropriate to think of others and do particular kindnesses for them at this time.

But more important than these grand gestures are the daily acts of caring and honor and respect for others, the daily efforts to grow and become better, the daily striving to use the Almighty's Torah as a tool for drawing every closer to Him. It's being patient in line, it's being respectful to teachers, it's sharing with sisters (yes even sisters!) that truly make the man.

It's a hard example to set. I don't feel up to the task. But we must set our sights high, and pray a lot...

So the preparations continue -– physical and spiritual -– our son will get histefillin and read the Torah portion in shul as he steps over the threshold from childhood to manhood. And we'll all be there to help him on the way. He'll stumble a few times; we all do. But if he internalizes the teaching of the day, if he recognizes the joy of a relationship with the Almighty, if he understands his ability to express that recognition through all his actions, if he's able to communicate that pleasure to those around him, then it will be a great party!

So if you're in Los Angeles the middle of November, join us. We're going to celebrate and grow together and we want to bring everyone we care about along for the ride. In the meantime, I just keep repeating to myself "it's not about the bills, it's not about the bills..."

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http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/965495/jewish/Preventing-Bar-Mitzvah-Boy-Angst.htm

Preventing Bar Mitzvah Boy Angst

It was the bar mitzvahShabbat of one of my younger sons, and we were strolling along a perimeter road. My eyes were delighting in the miraculous beauty of springtime, when my daughter's voice broke into my thoughts. "You know, Mum, girls never have to perform like boys do. I can choose if I want to be in the school play, but boys have to read the Torah in front of everyone. Just imagine what it must be like if they are very shy!"

I agreed with her, whilst inwardly remembering a lecture I heard in which a rabbi explained that some boys find "performing" in public excruciatingly difficult. "If the boy feels exposed and awkward, don't insist that he read the whole Torah portion in front of the congregation and then lead the prayer service if each syllable he says in public is a fearful and embarrassing torture for him!" the rabbi pleaded.

The truth is, a boy will be bar mitzvah'ed whether he performs publicly or notDuring a bar mitzvah ceremony, do you ponder upon those last lead-up weeks that the (still rather little) boy has just been through? Weeks when his time was not his own? When any activity other than practicing for his bar mitzvah was considered a reckless waste of time? The truth is, a boy will be bar mitzvah'ed whether he performs publicly or not. Yet the peer pressure from friends, neighbors, and, in my poor boychik's case, a good crop of infuriatingly successful bigger brothers, disallow the pressured lad from throwing in the towel.

In an ideal world, the time period leading up to the bar mitzvah should be a precious time of growth. The bar mitzvah boy should have the leisure to gradually understand what it means to be responsible for one's actions, of becoming obliged to do something, and not just choosing to do it. Yet the month before the bar mitzvah is far from an idyllic, introspective interlude of preparation for the formal acceptance of adulthood. The bar mitzvah boy struggles to fit the often-conflicting tunes for reading the Torah portion into his brain whilst attempting to wrap the stiff, new tefillin straps around his boyish arms, trying not to get too pinched by those still unbending straps of leather.

Most bar mitzvah boys must have their parents on edge when they declare, "I'm not doing it!" And then, come bar mitzvah day, these war-fatigued parents are probably dumbfounded at the apparent ease with which their I-can't-do-it son rattles off his portion.

Negotiating the pre-bar mitzvah period is an incredibly demanding parenting task: being supportive, making only realistic demands, pulling away from your own desire that your child should do his bit. Don't forget, the child in question is not a child, but an adolescent with all the complications that such a status involves. How do parents maneuver such a time to get through it with minimal damage and hopefully some gain?

A solution might be to start the preparations for this momentous occasion not by checking up the name of the Torah portion and arranging a teacher, but by sitting down and having a heart-to-heart talk, agreeing on expectations, working out a realistic timetable of when (and whether) he'll read the Torah publicly, the kiddush event which takes place post his reading of the Torah, the celebratory meal (i.e. the bar mitzvah party), his speech, starting to put on tefillin. As you discuss each event, you can discuss who to invite, what part his schoolmates should play, what does he see as most important, etc. This is the stage, before the time pressure, to work on commitments, learning schedules, etc. This is also the time to have a family cuddle and declare the event a joint venture, where everyone is battling on the same side toward a unified goal.

That little child, that growing person, who has been entrusted to my care was about to take on an even fuller responsibilityI think of my bar mitzvah boys, including my brand new, fresh-off-the-press one whose event set me pondering. I think of the precious moments we shared, like the long walk I had with my son on the morning before his bar mitzvah party. We chatted and spent some relaxed moments together—the restful peace before the storm. That little child, that growing person, who has been entrusted to my care was about to take on an even fuller responsibility for his own life. He seems so little. The world out there has so many stumbling blocks and in many ways is so warped, and warping. All I can do is pray, and try to show my children the beauty and truth in living a Jewish life.

I feel myself beaming. I threw the candies (as is traditional), the bar mitzvah boy did well, the speech has been said, the catering was tasty, and the guests had plenty to eat.

It's over, but we're still smiling.

The True History of Palestine and BOYCOTT DIVESTMENT AND SANCTIONS

What is Palestine and Palestinians?

Map of Palestine under British rule

In recent history the area called Palestine includes the territories of present day Israel and Jordan (see map above. For earlier history of the term see article). From 1517 to 1917 most of this area remained under the rule of the Ottoman Empire.

Ottoman Empire was dissolved at the end of World War I. Its successor, modern republic of Turkey, transferred Palestine to British Empire control under the Lausanne agreement that followed WW I.

In 1917 Great Britain issued the Balfour Declaration for "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people". In 1922 Britain allocated nearly 80% of Palestine to Transjordan. Thus, Jordan covers the majority of the land of Palestine under British Mandate. Jordan also includes the majority of the Arabs who lived there. In other words, Jordan is the Arab portion of Palestine.

The residents of Palestine are called "Palestinians". Since Palestine includes both modern day Israel and Jordan both Arab and Jewish residents of this area were referred to as "Palestinians".

It was only after the Jews re-inhabited their historic homeland of Judea and Samaria, that the myth of an Arab Palestinian nation was created and marketed worldwide. Jews come from Judea, not Palestinians. There is no language known as Palestinian, or any Palestinian culture distinct from that of all the Arabs in the area. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. "Palestinians" are Arabs indistinguishable from Arabs throughout the Middle East. The great majority of Arabs in greater Palestine and Israel share the same culture, language and religion.

Much of the Arab population in this area actually migrated into Israel and Judea and Samaria from the surrounding Arab countries in the past 100 years. The rebirth of Israel was accompanied by economic prosperity for the region. Arabs migrated to this area to find employment and enjoy the higher standard of living. In documents not more than hundred years, the area is described as a scarcely populated region. Jews by far were the majority in Jerusalem over the small Arab minority. Until the Oslo agreement the major source of income for Arab residents was employment in the Israeli sector. To this day, many Arabs try to migrate into Israel with various deceptions to become a citizen of Israel.

Even the Chairman of the Palestinian Authority, Arafat himself, is not a "Palestinian". He was born in Egypt. The famous "Palestinian covenant" states that Palestinians are "an integral part of the Arab nation" -- a nation which is blessed with a sparsely populated land mass 660 times the size of tiny Israel (Judea, Samaria and Gaza included).

All attempts to claim Arab sovereignty over Israel of today, should be seen with their real intention: The destruction of Israel as a Jewish state and the only bulwark of the Judeo-Christian Western civilization in the Middle East.

Oslo accords and "Peace Process"

The Oslo "Peace" accords have not brought peace. The number of terror attacks against Israel and the number of Israelis killed by Arab terror bombings greatly escalated after Oslo to a level that has not been seen since 1948 (see statistics). The Palestinian Authority has repeatedly violated all aspects of the agreement (see full report of violations).

Recent armed violence by the army of Arafat confirm the predictions that this agreement would escalate the conflict rather than subdue it (see article). In the history there are many examples of international "peace agreements" that were rapidly followed by major wars. A well known relevant case is the Munich agreement signed by Chamberlain from Great Britain and Hitler from Germany in 1938, which was rapidly revoked by Hitler as German armies invaded Czechoslovakia in 1939 (see article).

The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Fatah Constitution that is adopted as the unofficial constitution of the Palestinian Authority also calls for the destruction of the Jewish State in most of its clauses.

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The True History of Palestine: The Nation-State Fallacy By William John Hagan
The Houston Home Journal (Warner Robins, GA) Print Edition ^ | 08/24/2005 | William John Hagan

Posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 00:57:45 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by WJHII

The True History of Palestine: The Nation-State Fallacy

By William John Hagan

The Houston Home Journal (Warner Robins, GA) Print Edition 08/24/2005

The current debate on the inevitable future of the “Palestinian Nation” seems to lack one simple fact: Palestine has no past and was never a sovereign nation. The closest thing the Palestinian people have to a history is that there was once a British Colony from which they had stolen their modern name.

After the Allied victory in World War Two, it became clear to even the most anti-Semitic Westerners that the Jewish People deserved to have their nation restored. The Nation of Israel’s first record of historically existence is a mention in the Book of Exodus (3:16), however, even earlier references are made in Genesis to the tribes of Israel. It is both biblical and historical fact that Israel was founded by Moses after the Jewish expulsion from Egypt by Ramases II. This would place this event sometime between 1290 and 1224 BC. The reality that the Palestinians want to keep from you is that there has been a Jewish presence in Israel for almost 3300 years.

The history of the Palestinian People in far more recent than that of their Jewish neighbors. In fact, “Palestine” was created by the British Empire in the days after World War II. According to Rockwell Lazareth author of the essay “Who are the Palestinians?”, “There has never been a civilization or a nation referred to as Palestine and the very notion of a Palestinian Arab nation having ancient attachments to the Holy Land going back to time immemorial is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated upon the world! There is not, nor has there ever been, a distinct Palestinian culture or language. Further, there has never been a Palestinian state governed by Arab Palestinians in history, nor was there ever a serious Arab-Palestinian national movement until 1964.”

The most disturbing reality is that the “Palestinians” are not even Arabs at all but Canaanites who have over the years adopted Arab culture and language. For all their history, the Canaanites have been a nomdic sea-faring people who traveled between such nations as Lebannon, Syria,and Turkey but making a premenant home in no land. The British allowed these modren Palastinian Canaanites to set up their tents in colonial Palestine so they could be used as a cheap source of labor for the citrus industry. This historical fact leaves the so-called Palestinians with a far more blundering claim to Israel than illegal Mexican immigrants would have to the United States.

In 1948, the British rewarded their fruit pickers by dividing the colony of Palestine into two states: one Jewish and the other Arab or should we say “Canaanite”. It was at this moment that the term Palestinain was first used to exclusivly refer to nomadic Canaanites. The Palestinains responded to the England’s generosity by invading the newly reborn Isreali state, with help from the armies of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. To the world’s amazement Israel emerged the victor. The Arabs further demonstrated military prowess by, again, invading Israel in 1967. This time they lost control of Jerusalem, the West Bank, and Gaza.

In the years that followed, Yasser Arafat’s PLO murdered thousands of Israelis, in fact he made Bin Laden look like a piker. Today, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is fulfilling Arafat’s dying wish and taking land from the industrious Israeli’s so that a Palestinian Nation can be born. The Israelis had taken the deserts of Gaza and turned them into an oasis of prosperity, all while under the guns of PLO terrorists. These very settlers who sacrificed their own children for a greater Israel are today being sacrificed by Sharon to the False Idol of Appeasement.

Letters to the editor of The Houston Home Journal may be e-mail to: mailto: rgambill@evansnewspapers.com (Please Include Your Name and Location)

William John Hagan can be contacted directly by e-mail at: William_Hagan@excite.com

Or visited on the Web at:

http://williamjohnhagan.blogspot.com


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom; War on Terror KEYWORDS: appeasement; arafat; bible; egypt; hagan; israel; palestine; plo; ramases; settlers; sharon; terrorism
1 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 00:57:51 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by WJHII

To: WJHII

I would have more confidence in his writing if he could spell.

2 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 01:00:27 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by secret garden

To: WJHII

Gaza will become a sewer within 6 months.

3 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 01:09:38 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)

To: ncountylee

More like six weeks..

4 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 01:11:01 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)

To: WJHII

Interesting. Who is John Hagan?

5 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 01:13:35 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by Sam Cree (absolute reality)

To: secret garden

Sorry, I was deaf as a kid so I leave that to my editors and microsoft. I haven't seen the print version yet,so please excuse the spelling error. Bill

6 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 01:26:53 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by WJHII

To: WJHII

Well, I think that if the Palestinians ("nomadic Canaanites"), after having been given Gaza, continue with terror against Israel, then Israel should be, and hopefully will be, ruthless.

7 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 01:30:53 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)

To: WJHII

bump for later

8 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 01:58:45 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by Enterprise ("Islam is not a religion, but rather a means of world conquest" - ALAN BURKHART.COM)

To: WJHII
An interesting summary. Can you explain why "Webster's" dictionary defines a Canaanite as a member of a Semitic people inhabiting ancient Palestine and Phoenicia from about 3000 B.C.?

I'm no expert on the Palestinian / Israeli question. In fact, I'm no more than an interested bystander. And I happen to agree that Sharon is nuts for abandoning Gaza. Appeasement will not solve anything while the militant groups continue to advocate the destruction of Israel.

9 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 02:06:07 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by kylaka

To: kylaka

You'd have to ask Webster's,but it just sounds like good old fashion PC History.

10 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 02:22:08 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by WJHII

To: WJHII
The "Canaanite" statements are utterly ridiculous. Arab is a cultural-national designation, it means one who speaks the Arab language from birth. It is not a racial term, never was, anywhere. Other than Japan, marginally, no nation on earth is.

As for the statements about Moses 1250 etc, it is by no means accepted history but decidedly contentious. Leading Egyptian scholars doubt Moses existed as a historical personage. The word is Egyptian for "son of". There are any number of "so-and-so"moses in Egyptian history, but "son of" without a who the son is of, is unknown.

Some scholars think Israel as a distinct nation dates only from 900 BC, which is old enough to establish "3000 years" and one would think, sufficient. Established monotheism appears to date only to the return from the Babylonian captivity around 540 BC (reign of Cyrus) - pre-exile Israel was pagan-polytheist.

The claims are evidence the writer is pushing literalist claims, not present ones.

As for the statement that all western nations thought Jews deserved their own state after WW II, it is not accurate. The Brits fought against the establishment of Israel and sought to prevent emigration to colonial Palestine. Jews waged a terrorist war for independence against British troops. Britain left at the time it gave up most of its colonies - it was too poor to keep them after WW II. A UN mandate sought to divide the country but was unrealistic and unenforced. War determined the initial boundaries of the new state. The US was quick to recognize and support Israel. Britain was cool.

The 1956 war, when the Israelis were the ones doing the attacking, in concert with France and Britain, is left out. The US forced a climb down that humiliated Britain nd France. France became a patron of Israel at that time - that is where Israel got its nuclear technology for example, working with the French.

As for the statements about Arafat, yes he was an out and out terrorist from the start. A Moscow trained one. Left out of his history here is the fact that he tried to take over the kingdom of Jordan in a revolution in 1970, getting the Palestinian population of Jordan to rise against the ruling minority Hashamite tribe. That failed, with 5000 killed, and set him packing to Lebanon. Which served as his terror base until 1982 when Israel again was the one doing the invading, to smash the PLO. The US under Reagan saved the PLO diplomatically, earning truck bombings and a near war with Syria for our pains, and still bundled Arafat off to Tunisia and safety.

Arab nationalists want Israel destroyed. Islamic fundamentalists want Israel destroyed. Israel does not in the least require moldly old books to enforce its claim to live, all it needs is common sense and the bravery of its sons. No permission is needed from heaven or earth to defend oneself against implacable and unjust enemies. It is entirely normal for control of a country to rest on the right of conquest. Challenging a previous result is called war, and fully justifies the previous winner in winning again, as ruthlessly as he needs to.

As for claims to the place, it has been ruled by Eyptians, Babylonians, Assyrians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, Arab Muslims, Christian Crusaders, Turks, the British, and modern Israel. The only constant in its history is turmoil and unending strife. The only claim anyone has ever had to it is conquest. It is all they have had and all they have needed, it is all Israel has today and all it needs.

11 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 02:34:34 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by JasonC

To: WJHII

Most "Palestinians" are actually from the area formerly known as the Trans-Jordan. Hussein of Jordan didn't want them back when Israel was made a nation by the UN. Thus the people were stuck in crappy refugee camps and their situation was never made better by any of the Arab nations, because to do so would have been to acknowledge the existence of Israel. So those people sat in those camps for a couple of generations in poverty breeding terrorists.

12 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 02:46:10 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by SuziQ

To: SuziQ

Good anaylsis. I am glad I am not stuck in a place like that.

13 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 03:36:21 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by kingsurfer

To: WJHII

A little more detail... The First Palestinian State by Emanuel A. Winston Dec 10, '03 / 15 Kislev 5764 Oh. You didn’t know there was a First Palestinian State? It’s not necessary to go back to 1964 when, with Egypt’s help, the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization) was formed - with the sole intent of engaging in terror for the purpose of conquering the Jewish State, with the assistance of all the Arab/Muslim nations. Those goals of the PLO have not changed.(1) Yasser Arafat was elected Chairman of the PLO in 1969. Arafat and his terrorists ended up in the Kingdom of Jordan after a series of unsuccessful wars by the Arab/Muslim nations against Israel. There, they arrogantly walked the streets of Amman well-armed and with supreme confidence. They intimidated the people of Jordan. Between 1967 and 1971, the PLO challenged King Hussein for political control of Jordan. Hussein made 26 agreements to keep the Peace. Arafat signed them all and broke them all. The last straw would be when Arafat put out a kill order for King Hussein’s brother, who commanded the Jordanian Army and, particularly, the special Bedouin troops who had clashed numerous times with Arafat’s thugs. This was not going to be Arafat’s State by coup d’etat, but it was a lesson in his MO (Modus Operandi). Hussein’s Army was called up and a memorable slaughter of Arafat’s followers took place, an event the Arab Palestinians called "Black September".(2) The major conflict began in September 1970, but took 17 months until Arafat’s terrorists fled, mostly into Lebanon. However, many crossed the Jordan and were rescued by Israeli settling pioneers on the west side of the Jordan River. In Lebanon, the Arab Palestinians were greeted with open arms by their so-called brother Arabs. It was a case of mistaken identity, which the Lebanese did not know then was a one-sided hudna (time of false peace, rest and re-arming for Arafat’s terrorists). To this day, the Lebanese people bitterly regret opening their borders to Arafat’s Arab Palestinians. Then, it began. Arafat first established the parameters of a terror state much as they started to do in Jordan before Black September. Wherever they gained critical mass in numbers and arms, that area of the city or country became theirs. Every street corner was an Arab Palestinian ‘checkpoint’ to collect pass-through money, but also, frequently, to rape women passengers, steal cars and extort whatever they wanted. As in Jordan, Arafat’s Arab Muslim Palestinian gunman acted as conquerors, threatening everyone, looting and taxing through terror. As Arafat expanded his control over Christian and Muslim Lebanese, they too became part of the conflict that became a 12-year Civil War, killing 100,000 Christian and Muslim Lebanese. Lebanon had once been called the Paris of the Middle East, the Garden of Eden spot for vacationing Arabs, with a Banking Center for the Arab world - but all that was destroyed. The Christians and Muslims had worked out a ‘peaceful, political accommodation’ to run Lebanon and, particularly, Beirut. Arafat had stirred them up, so now they were bitter enemies, attacking each other and fighting Arafat’s Palestinian Mini-State of Terror. The killings went on day and night, with whole villages massacred, with a retaliatory massacre soon after. Arafat turned the various Arab refugee camps into his bases of operation. Weapons and explosives were stored in apartment building, hospitals and schools, using the civilians as human shields. As confusion and terror reigned, Arafat continued to expand his mini-State of Palestine with the presumption that one day all of Lebanon would be a Palestinian State. Arafat’s methods were a mirror image of what Americans found in Iraq, particularly Bagdad, where Saddam’s family and Republican Guards wreaked havoc. Granted, Saddam’s regime was larger and very well-funded, but the hideous brutality was virtually the same. Arafat’s gunman roamed the streets with modified pick-up trucks, manned with 30-50 caliber guns mounted in back. They were looking for various factions of Christian militia to gun down, but Muslims were also shot dead - as were any of the few Jews who still lived in Lebanon. (By that time, the Arab/Muslim nations had ejected almost all of their Jews (approximately 800,000) and had confiscated all their property and assets - personal and community. In effect, this was a replay of Hitler and Europe’s confiscation of all that their Jews owned.) Arafat launched frequent terrorist cross border attacks into Israel from his safe Mini-State in Lebanon - just as does Hezb’Allah does now. Hezb’Allah, a fierce terror organization based in Lebanon, is run by Syria and funded by Iran. When those attacks became intolerable, Prime Minister Begin gave Defense Minister Gen. Ariel Sharon permission to attack Arafat’s Terror State in Lebanon. The IDF (Israel Defense Forces) discovered and exposed many things that were photographed, catalogued and described in books published subsequently about the savagery of Arafat’s treatment of his Lebanese brothers. As today, the Left-leaning liberal media ignored what Israel had discovered, but they did castigate Israel for daring to respond to Palestinian terror attacks. Israel’s early encounters came from what then was called the RPG Kids (Rocket-Propelled Grenade). These were 9- to 11-year old kids who were trained (on Arafat’s orders) to use rocket-propelled grenades and hide behind their seemingly innocent youth. Many Israeli soldiers were killed because they hesitated to kill mere children. However, these were not ‘mere’ children; they were fully trained Palestinian killers who were merely smaller than Arafat’s regular terrorists. They were trained from early childhood to hate, kill and obey their master. (That education to hate, kill and obey continues to this day in the Palestinian Authority.) The IDF discovered miles of machine-dug tunnels, stocked full of arms, ammunition and plans for the next major war against Israel - aimed at her elimination. These were the pre-stocked positions for planned advancing Palestinians, with regular Syrian troops, into Israel. I believe it was the Austrians who supplied the huge tunnel-digging machines, which could dig wide tunnel into the Lebanese mountains, thus allowing large trucks to deliver their deadly loads.(1) When Israeli troops broke through into Beirut in 1982, they were again shocked at what they found. Much the same as in 2003, American troops were shocked when they entered various compounds of Saddam Hussein and his two sons, Uday and Qusay. Torture rooms, masochistic sex rooms and always the fields of hundreds of thousands executed Iraqis - with Shi’ites and Kurds topping the list. In 1982 when the Israeli soldiers entered the hospitals in Lebanon, they found Lebanese Christians’ bodies stacked like cordwood in the hallways. Their blood had been totally drained for transfusions into Arafat’s wounded, ‘more worthy’ fighters (on Arafat’s orders). Arafat’s men often used a special torture and death on captured prisoners. Copying the Roman technique of drawing and quartering captured prisoners for the amusements of the crowds, Arafat used four cars to slowly pull a man apart by driving in four different directions. Here, too, the mob of Arafatian Arabs found this to be exciting and cheered. This ‘mind-set’ is endemic in most Arab nations; we recall the two Americans in Mosul, Iraq, being shot, pulled from their car, having their throats slit, and being mutilated. Then the mob moved in to crush their heads with cement blocks, and to stamp on the two doomed soldiers.(3) The surrounding mobs cheered delightedly. This, in turn, was similar to the lynching the Arab Palestinians committed against the two Israeli soldiers who made a wrong turn into Ram’Allah,(4 ) and the frequent lynching of their own people who they accuse of being ‘collaborators’.(5) Then, there was the matter of the village leaders in Lebanon (the mukhtars of the village) paying baksheesh, a.k.a. protection money, to keep his own village protected from Arafat’s murdering marauders. One mukhtar refused to pay protection money. So, Arafat’s collectors kidnaped the mukhtar’s teen-age daughter, raped her, cut off her breasts and delivered her back to the mukhtar’s doorstep in a gunny sack.(1) No tax collector of a mini-state could have been more convincing. There were thousands of these examples, photographed, catalogued, books written and all seemingly forgotten - except for some.(1) This was Arafat’s First Palestinian State, which was crumpled by the invasion by Israel in 1982, when Arafat and his killers came under American protection as they shipped out to Tunis. Later, under the auspices of Oslo, Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres resurrected Arafat, gave his Arab Palestinians and Arafat a reprieve and invited them back. Most recall what followed their return. Since Oslo was signed September 13, 1993 - 1,500 Israelis (and at least 45 Americans) were brutally murdered and hundreds of thousands wounded - many maimed for life. Without the exact count of the Arab Palestinians tortured and murdered at Arafat’s orders in those territories handed to him under Oslo, there have been hundreds. Then, one must add in those suicide bombers - the young men, women and children convinced or brainwashed to blow themselves up in order to kill Jews and ascend to Muslim Paradise and receive 72 virgins. When Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu turned over Hebron under pressure from America (expecting gratitude from America, which he did not get), the Palestinian businessmen begged Israel not to leave. They knew what was coming. In all the territories given over to Arafat and his Palestinian Authority, every business, manufacturer, farm suddenly had a new partner in one of Arafat’s officers. That was Al Capone’s business: the protection racket, which Arafat carried to astonishing levels of corruption. Even the Arab Palestinians in the Eastern section of Jerusalem want Israeli citizenship, before they fall under the control of Arafat at the behest of the Bush Administration - now a not-so-silent partner of the Geneva Accords. Wherever Arafat and his Arab Palestinians achieved a critical mass, they tried to produce a State born out of terror, torture, blackmail and extortion. The Arab Palestinian State that the Bush Administration is trying to create through the Road Map - and now through aberrant Leftist Jews, employed by the E.U. (European Union) - cannot be anything else but what it has always been. It doesn’t matter that Israel is forced back to her indefensible 1967, or even her 1949, borders, or that there is no wall to separate terror from civilization. Arafat and his Arab Palestinians have proven time and again that any entity they can control, be it a state or merely a city, immediately becomes a base for launching terror and suppressing their own people. After all, why would Arafat and his Arab Muslim Palestinians rule any differently than Saddam of Iraq, the Assads of Syria, the Ayatollahs of Iran, etc.? Should Israel and Bush be foolish enough to actually give Arafat or his successor a large base of operations called a ‘state’, with Jerusalem as its capital, rest assured that, like Saddam’s Iraq, Syria or Iran, they will begin absorbing high-tech weapons of mass destruction, including NBC (Nuclear, Biological and Chemical), and their reach will be shockingly far. They are already linked up with Syria and Iran, and had been closely linked to Iraq, and will probably be again when Bush pulls the American troops home - before elections. This new terrorist state will never be satisfied with a Palestinian State on only the ‘West Bank’. The new state will use the Palestinians in Jordan, who are already 75% of the population (or more), to overthrow King Abdullah. Then, it is just a matter of time before they subvert the region, in lockstep with the other terror state of Syria. So, this is the preamble to what will be the Second State of Palestine, courtesy of the Bush family and a weakened Israeli Prime Minister. Look at a map of the neo-Palestinian State, the centerpiece of a chain of Islamic nations going north and south, which are to be a choke chain for Israel and the region. This then will be the legacy of Bush and Sharon to the Free World and the people of Israel - guaranteed terror for millions in Israel and the Free West for years to come. Arafat’s terror state will have many godfathers - not the least of whom would be Yitzhak Rabin, Shimon Peres, Yossi Beilin, the U.N., the Europeans, Colin Powell and the pro-Arab U.S. State Department, the Bush family, James Baker III, among many others. As I said at the beginning, the Arab Palestinians had a first terror mini-state in Lebanon, which demonstrated the prototype and Arafat’s MO - terror and murder. The godfathers know all of this, but they plunge ahead - often with Israel’s acceptance of a born-to-die fate, which some Jews have accepted as their destiny. They would rather be de-Judaized as their entrance into acceptance by the world of nations. Let us hope and pray that a new leader will emerge who will understand that Israel must say: "No!" to their American friends; "No!" to the Europeans; "No!" to the U.N.; "No!" to the Arab League; and "Absolutely no!" to acceptance of a so-called mini-state of unremitting terror. Footnotes: 1. PLO: Now the Story Can Be Told by Eliyahu Tal; WZO (World Zionist Organization, 1982). Listing “Terror Attacks Perpetrated Against Israeli Diplomatic Missions (1969-79)” with photos, foreign allies, funders, victims and witnesses stories; “Terrorists & Child Terrorists in Action”: "On a summer night in 1964, 3 years before the Six Days War, Yasser Arafat forded the River Jordan, climbed a hill near Nablus [Shechem], fired one shot from his pistol and declared: "The ‘Jihad’ (holy war) has begun." PLO in Lebanon: Documents, Research & Photos, edited by Prof. Rafael Israeli. The PLO Exposed by Britain Israel Public Affairs Committee; December 1982. 2. "Black September in Jordan 1970-71", from OnWar.com. Within the space of two hours on September 6, 1970, PFLP [Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine] gangs hijacked a TWA jet, a Swissair jet, and made an unsuccessful attempt to seize control of an El Al airplane. About two hours later, another PFLP group hijacked a Pan Am jet and forced the crew to fly to Beirut airport, where the airplane landed almost out of fuel. The next day, the airliner was flown to the Cairo airport, where it was blown up only seconds after the 176 passengers and crew had completed their three-minute forced evacuation. 3. "Lynch of American Soldiers"; "On the Objective Support of Terror" from http://phaedo.typepad.com/phaedo/2003/11/on_the_objectiv.html. 4. "Italian TV Apologized to the PA for Screening the Video of the Lynching of the 2 Israeli Soldiers of Ramallah" from Israel’s Media Watch on Arutz Sheva News Service on October 18, 2000; also on http://geocities.com/CapitolHill/2527/press104.htm. 5. "Lynch in Manger Square, Bethlehem - while AP tries to Hide the Pictures"; March 15, 2002, from http://gamla.org.il/english/feature/lynch2a.htm. http://www.israelnn.com/article.php3?id=3069

14 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 04:28:06 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)

To: SuziQ

Poverty does not breed terrorism, most terrorists are upper or upper middle class. Islam breeds terrorism, but it takes money to be one.

15 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 05:56:14 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)

To: WJHII

Like everything else about Islam, Palestine is founded on lies, plagarism, murder and hatred.

16 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 07:37:12 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by tkathy (Tyranny breeds terrorism. Freedom breeds peace.)

To: WJHII

The article at the Houston Home Journal is no longer there.

17 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 09:22:03 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by eLibrarian

To: SJackson; Alouette; Salem; Esther Ruth; Bombardier; F15Eagle; Sabramerican; IAF ThunderPilot; ...

Ping!

18 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 10:50:02 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by Convert from ECUSA (tired of all the shucking and jiving)

To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

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19 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 11:01:23 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by SJackson (I went to the intifada, and all I got was a UN T-Shirt, Hugh Hewitt)

To: Fred Nerks; lightingguy

That is a most excellent article, needs its own thread.

20 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 11:22:00 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by agrace (Where were you when I founded the earth? Tell me if you know so much. Job 38:4)

To: WJHII

If you listen to the media describe events in Israel, and you know just a tiny bit of history, you easily find out that the entire Arab/Palestinian story is a lie. How many times do you hear the phrase- "return the land to the Palestinians"? Maybe we need a new definition of "return". To me it means a possession you once had and lost. My personal favorite was a FOX reporter interviewing "Palestinians" in Gaza who were now optimistic life would get back to normal - "like it was before the Intifadah" -. Uh? You mean Arabs were living normal lives, working in Israel, traveling unencumbered in Israel, before they decided to start butchering Jews again? Israel's fault.

21 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 12:20:15 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by Sabramerican (Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love)

To: WJHII

And when, not if, the Palestinian's "state" fall flat on it's face because it was given and provided rather than earned, the anti-Semitic Euros and Left will continue to cover and make excuses for the Pali's. They won't be held to account, it will always be Israel's fault regardless of what Sharon or any other Israeli leader does or doesn't do.

22 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 13:21:58 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by prairiebreeze (We are grateful to our fine military. God bless them and their families.)

To: JasonC

Ironically, only the Turks could control the feral behavior of the Arabs they ruled. They were not "infidels" and knew who they were dealing with.

23 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 13:44:49 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)

To: JasonC

"Jews waged a terrorist war for independence against British troops." Huh? What Israel waged was a true Insurgency -- they targeted the British Military not civilians. The US government, and most analysts, define terrorism as targeting civilians. "The 1956 war, when the Israelis were the ones doing the attacking, in concert with France and Britain, is left out." I guess by your definition the US was the one doing the attacking in Iraq. You appear to have forgiotten the numerous UN resolutions Egypt violated. Sound familiar? "On August 9, 1949, the UN mixed armistice commission upheld Israel's complaint that egypt was illegally blocking the canal. un negotiator Ralph Bunche declared: "There should be free movement for legitimate shipping and no vestiges of the wartime blockade should be allowed to remain, as they are inconsistent with both the letter and the spirit of the armistice agreements." On September 1, 1951, the security council ordered egypt to open the canal to Israeli shipping. egypt refused to comply. The egyptian foreign minister, muhammad salah al-din, said early in 1954: The arab people will not be embarrassed to declare: We shall not be satisfied except by the final obliteration of Israel from the map of the middle east (Al-Misri, April 12, 1954)." You also must be unaware of the numerous attacks on Israel from Egyptian Fedayeen prior to 1956 and the massing of armies on Israel's borders. "Israeli Ambassador to the un, Abba Eban, explained the provocations to the security council on October 30: During the six years, during which this belligerency has operated in violation of the armistice agreement, there have occurred 1,843 cases of armed robbery and theft, 1,339 cases of armed clashes with egyptian armed forces, 435 cases of incursion from egyptian controlled territory, and 172 cases of sabotage perpetrated by egyptian military units and fedayeen in Israel. As a result of these actions of egyptian hostility within Israel, 364 Israelis were wounded and 101 killed. In 1956 alone, as a result of this aspect of egyptian aggression, 28 Israelis were killed and 127 wounded." http://amichai.com/war/process/56war.html In your mind does only the US and the West have the right to self-preservation via self-defense?

24 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 14:32:12 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by dervish (tagline for rent, inquire within)

To: Rennes Templar

"Palestinians" are descended form Ammonites, Moabites, and Arabs. They are not Canaanites.

25 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 14:33:56 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by rmlew (http://nycright.blogspot.com/)

To: dervish
They blew up hotels, civilians were killed, it was a terrorist war. They did not distinguish themselves as combatants, did not observe the laws of war, etc. Facts are stubborn things. I draw no greater conclusions from it, Israel is independent by right of conquest regardless of the crimes of some in the distant past. But there were such crimes at Israel's founding and before, and it is lying to maintain otherwise. Lying for which there is no need.

Yes the US attacked Iraq. No the UN doesn't have anything to do with any of it, being a toothless talking shop with no relevance to the control of territories or the safety of peoples. Israel, Britain, and France attack Egypt in 1956. Bare fact, nothing more to be read into it. Nowhere did I say or imply that attacking enemies is forbidden by anyone or anything. On the contrary, I explicitly said disputing the outcome of the last conquest is called waging war.

You appear rhetorically to buy into legalistic theories you don't not actually believe and that have no operative force in the real world. You also avoid, distort, or deny obvious historical facts for reasons apparently connected to apologetics about them. You impute inferences about rights of self preservation etc where none have been so much as hinted. To me, all are symptoms of the same underlying problem. A reluctance to live in the real world, taking facts as they are.

No doubt the legalistic fantasies involved weren't made by you, and you are kicking against them. Fine by me, but why live inside that straightjacket at all? Things are so much clearer out here. Where no man needs to ask for what he can defend with his own hands.

26 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 15:06:11 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by JasonC

To: JasonC

"They blew up hotels, civilians were killed, it was a terrorist war." "Hotels?" Plural? One Hotel, The King David which happened to be MILITARY HEADQUARTERS for the British forces. It is you who are having trouble with historical facts and who are "lying" and or ignorant of such salient details. Further three separate advance warnings were given prior to the bombing but ignored by the British who were in denial about the threat from a bunch of Jews. "You appear rhetorically to buy into legalistic theories you don't not actually believe and that have no operative force in the real world. You also avoid, distort, or deny obvious historical facts for reasons apparently connected to apologetics about them. You impute inferences about rights of self preservation etc where none have been so much as hinted. To me, all are symptoms of the same underlying problem. A reluctance to live in the real world, taking facts as they are. " Uh, I'm not the subject here and spare me the psychobabble. Talk history and facts. Give references, but leave out the ad hominem signs that you have lost the debate.

27 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 15:19:57 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by dervish (tagline for rent, inquire within)

To: American in Israel

Poverty may not breed terrorism, but the poverty of those people in the camps is used in the brainwashing of those educated in terrorism.

28 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 16:05:19 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by SuziQ

To: Fred Nerks

Very insightful and disturbing report.

29 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 16:50:28 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)

To: WJHII; SJackson
"These very settlers who sacrificed their own children for a greater Israel are today being sacrificed by Sharon to the False Idol of Appeasement."

It is worse than appeasement. That word dealt with pre-existing nations, one appeasing the demands of another. In this case, no existing nation is presenting demands to a preexisting nation.

We do hear that the Gaza settlers have been ejected from land that "Palestinians want" as part of a future state however...we hear that, of course, from the MSM.

So, just what is the idol, false or otherwise? Israel? No. Hamas? No. Peace? No.

The idol is money. There is a bet, the same bet played w/ regards to Egypt and the Sadat deal (and recall, the precedent for leaving 'settlements' was set at that time.

Egypt didn't sign off on peace for free. Egypt gets cash, annually, that is as predictable as the Nile from the U.S.A.; 4 Billion US Dollars per year unless I am mistaken.

So, the formula now is the same as then: enough money, year after year, flowing into the pockets of corrupt islamic regimes (Abbas now, Hamas (maybe) later but whatever....

Enough money will provide the means by which Islamic nut cases will be quieted, regardless of the "national" soil of their origin. Enough money will be provided such that enough towel heads will in effect be paid for enduring the presence of Israel in their midst. It is a kind of reverse tax, or better, reverse 'protection money'.

(Of course, asking who the big winners are in the recent run up in oil prices does help this analysis any either, right?)

In effect, Israelies are paying rent. And, oh yes ... the land use chit that was enjoyed in the Gaza area has been recently revoked.

I hope I am wrong ... I hope this is a tactical retreat, with the idea of a future strategic victory in the hazy future. I have a hunch that year after year of bribing towel heads is not going to get the job done. Indeed, what is going on in Iraq is the only source of hope in this mess.

30 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 17:46:49 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by gobucks(http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/Laocoon.htm)

To: WJHII; SJackson; Yehuda

bump again

31 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 19:46:13 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)

To: rmlew

Then who are the Canaanite descendents?

32 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 20:51:25 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)

To: Rennes Templar
Then who are the Canaanite descendents? If you are a Biblical literalist and read the Book of Joshua, then there are no descendants. If you are a Biblical Minimalist/Revisionist then Jews(13 million) and Samaritans(~735 left) are. If you go by languages then one would look at the peoples associated with the Canaanite Branch of the Northwestern Semitic Family. Moav, Edom, and Ammon were in modern Jordan and Modern Jordanians are primarily of this stock. Ancient Hebrew was a Canaanite language although Masortic, Modern, and Samaritan Hebrew carry significant Aramaic elements. Hence, Jews and Samaritans are also Canaanites. Phonecians were Canaanites as well. Therefor so are modern Lebanese and at least some Libyans.
33 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 21:32:06 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by rmlew (http://nycright.blogspot.com/)

To: dervish
They blew up train lines, bridges, railway stations, they demolished government buildings with explosives, they killed security guards, they assassinate a minister, they fought each other, with kidnappings and with torture, they shot at Arab buses, they shot at army depots and blew up military aircraft on the ground, they attacked police stations and banks, shot at vehicles on the roads with machineguns and with mortars, planted mines, took hostages, blew up British police headquarters, blew up the British intel office, blew up an officers club, and blew up the King David hotel.

They were terrorists. In their practices they were more restrained than AQ or Hamas, on a par with the IRA and not around as long. But terrorists they were. It doesn't matter how much lipstick you put on the pig.

34 posted on Wed Aug 24 2005 23:23:52 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by JasonC

To: JasonC

Terrorism targets civilians as do the IRA, AQ, Hezbollah and Hamas. "International and Domestic Terrorism - FBI definitions Terrorism is defined as violent or criminal acts against a civilian population for the purpose of coercion, and promoting a political cause or agenda. When those crimes occur within the United States, and are perpetrated by an individual or group associated with a domestic cause, they are defined as domestic terrorism. When they are perpetrated by an individual or group from outside the U.S., then it is defined as international terrorism. Also, beginning 1986 it has been a violation of federal law for any group or individual to commit an act of terrorism against U.S. interests or U.S. citizens even in a foreign country. " http://c21.maxwell.af.mil/cts-fed.htm "How do you define terrorism? The Intelligence Community is guided by the definition of terrorism contained in Title 22 of the US Code, Section 2656f(d): —The term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience." http://www.cia.gov/terrorism/faqs.html Your laundry list indicates the targets of the Israeli insurgency were Military and Government. Your view of history is upside down. You condemn people fighting for survival and side with the British who abrogated all responsibility, legal and moral, to side with the Arabs. The British were an occupying force from a continent away acting in disregard of international commitments, a Mandate, and a responsibility imposed upon them and accepted by them by the victors of WW1, the Treaty of Versailles, and the League of Nations. The bad guys here were the British who violated both their word and their moral authority in failing to give Jews a country and in siding with the Arabs. They whittled away the land of Israel giving the lions share to Transjordan to placate the Hashemites for their loss of Mecca and Medina. They prohibited Jewish immigration to placate the local Arabs thus adding immeasurably to the number of Jews left in Hitler's Europe. They limited Jewish land purchases. Both limitations were in direct contravention to the Mandate they had accepted and were obligated to abide. The British actively sided, supported and fought with the Arab countries who attacked Israel after the UN voted its creation and Israel was declared a country in 1948. History has become so politicized that simple concepts have lost all meaning. In Iraq the left calls acts of terror perpetrated on civilians an insurgency. BBC, Reuters say one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter again disregarding the targets of even 9/11. The far left calls the acts of Western Governments terrorism. You rush to label acts of war against an occupying power terrorism focusing on the identity of the perpetrators and not on the acts or the intended victims. Neither the left nor your approach are correct. There still exists the concept of insurgency outside of terrorism and outside of regular forces in uniform.

35 posted on Thu Aug 25 2005 01:07:45 GMT-0300 (Hora oficial do Brasil) by dervish (tagline for rent, inquire within)

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